On 01/05/2011 23:50, Dwayne Reid wrote: > For me, the greatest charging differences between Lead-Acid and > Lithium Ion are: Established & simple 90 year old charging technology (14V Power supply +=20 resistor works!), also newer low/zero maintenance "Calcium" technology=20 appears to have a sharp knee at "fully charged" enabling cease of charge=20 and thus avoiding electrolysis of water to H and O. Getting 4 to 5 years=20 from Automotive batteries seems feasible. vs Great balls of fire... Even if the design is correct and either you=20 accidentally install wrong model cell, cell is punctured (the LiPoly=20 ones in bags) or cell is faulty. Lithium life seems suspect too, though=20 may depend on exact type and usage (I never get more than a couple of=20 years on laptop, but my Sony Camera 8mm digital tape battery is very old=20 and still does 5hrs). In my experience you only have to high current or deep discharge Gel=20 Lead acid once or twice and it's scrap. NiMH and NiCd don't mind being=20 left flat, it destroys lead acid. The longest life Lead Acid for actual=20 regular use seem to be regular automotive "Calcium" zero maintenance=20 type. Gels will last maybe twice as long as automotive if charged and=20 not actually used! (i.e. good for Alarm panel backup etc). The Gel Lead=20 Acid do appear to have very low self discharge, better than Automotive=20 Lead Acid. Modern cars of course take power all the time even when off,=20 so for long periods off the road the battery may need to be disconnected. High capacity NiMH seem more finicky than Lead Acid or NiCd or "low=20 capacity" NiMH as they appear to require near zero trickle charge and=20 seem to have significant self discharge. --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .