> But what's friends got to do with any of this anyway? Inifinite regress, and/or reading what the admin told you a few posts back is necessary / a good idea / good form. ie Bob explained how friendship affected what may usually safely be said, or not. Most interesting out of this exchange, to me, is the comments twixt you and Bob of your relationship with Olin. That you would state simply (even if perhaps simplistically) that Olin is your friend is highly encouraging to me. Bob MAY be right that you are not Olin's friend (quite yet), but your open statement that he is yours AND your subsequent response that it is rather unfortunate that Bob says Olin is not your friend, should go a reasonable way towards redressing that problem in future. Well done. I hardly expect Olin to leap up and embrace you as a brother in arms, and overlook henceforth all the rough edges that he yet wants to knock off you, but if he's got the heart (albeit oft somewhat hidden) that I think he has you should have taken a significant step closer to that halcyon state. For perspective: Olin is my friend. Whether I am his friend probably varies somewhat by day and current circumstance :-). Russell --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .