http://www.microchip.com/forums/m566850.aspx http://www.microchip.com/forums/tm.aspx?high=3D&m=3D433556 http://jaromir.xf.cz/hdeb/hdeb.html Maybe of some interests to some. For me I will stick with Microchip tools. --=20 Xiaofan --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .