> But by doing it the fun, sometimes hard way, he'll be real=20 > good at continuity checking, finding faults fast visually, xacto > knife cuts and scraping, soldering in inconvenient situations, > etc. etc. This will serve anyone who does hands-on electronics > design well. In a wider sense, DIY is real hands-on character and skill development. So much is done 'for' people rather than 'by' people, perhaps no more so than in previous generations but these days if you want anything done, no matter how trivial, chances are there is someone on the web who'll do it. As a very practical person who likes using my brain and tools, perhaps I'm biased. And of course I do things for other people who don't have the relevant skills, but generally more than others do for me Joe --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .