> So what you only really need is the copper board When there was a board house up the road I could get free useable offcuts (A5 or better) of fibreglass and phenolic. Now they've gone I pay about 16c / sq in for FR4, retail. Much less if on a/c and I get the tax back. Compared with the hours spent on the micro and cost for other components, it's a minor part of the budget. I couldn't count the number of sq in I've etched with the 5kg (NZ$40 IIRC) of FeCl I bought years ago. It's a lot Joe --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .