I've been of the impression that "old" sequences are vanishing and also that time honoured shortcuts are being changed apparently arbitrarily. For some decades you could still use many of the (brilliant) Wordstar* left handed sequences but they were slowly eroded and now largely gone. I seem to recall that a key layout change also made these less mechanically useful compared to originally. If so that would have been "a while ago" [tm] :-). Maybe with the change to AT keyboards? :-) I found an application recently that ignored Alt-F4 when I think an earlier version of it was OK. EVERYTHING should honour Alt-F4!!! For the not-ancient - Wordstar is to Word Perfect what Word Perfect is to W= ord. For the rather young, Word Perfect is ..., oh, never mind. Anyway, anything that steels F1 deserves to die. Russell > >> Microsoft used to be better than most at this too. =A0They didn't > >> always have a accessible underlying command layer, but they were > >> generally good about everything being doable from a menu entry, > >> usually with a shortcut key, and didn't make a toolbar icon or a > >> right-click menu the only way to do something. Unfortunately, they > >> have decended into the only placating the morons instead of > >> supporting both the morons and the power users. > > > > Do you actually have an specific example in mind? In my experience, > > this is quite the opposite. --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .