> Laser toner transfer is sensitive to your ironing pressure and > temperature I'd agree with that. The human component is the important variable. Repeatability and detail is there for the getting Take these examples PIC + quad amp + 0805 R and C. Very small text under the 'JC 3.11' is my note for the board size. It is just about readable (if you know what it's supposed to read. FWIW it says, mirrored, 1.85 x 2.65 4.70 6.74 @ 600 dpi) http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/joecolquitt/DIP+SMT.jpg Printout (0.1" pitch pads) http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/joecolquitt/detail.gif Result (a little out of focus, better looking in reality) http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/joecolquitt/detail.jpg I read one person's account where he uses a hot-plate with a weight to apply a known pressure for a known time. That's something I'd like to investigate. My gauging of iron pressure is fairly good and but I'd rather it be controlled, for a more consistent Toner Squash Factor, which causes holes to shrink and tracks to widen. That said, SOIC 0.05" pitch is quite easily achievable Joe --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .