> do not stray away from the subject of the post to other aspects Personally, I find the way that PICList topics "drift" to be part of =20 the "charm" of the list, as long as the drift stays within a =20 reasonable cone of interest. There are enough forums where someone =20 can ask a question, and noone without the answer responds, and when =20 someone who does have an answer responds, the topic is over. Bleh. I'm getting pretty tired of the number of times that PICList topics =20 end up discussing Olin and his style of response, though. This is a =20 two sided street; yes, it would all go away if Olin (and anyone like =20 him) became a warm and fuzzy bunny capable of treating questions as if =20 they all came from fragile egos that needed careful nurturing to =20 become useful list contributers. I think by now that we can conclude =20 that this won't happen. It would also go away if Everyone Else (many =20 of whom Ought To Know Better) declined to chime in... I could do a Pythonesque skit: Old granddad is telling a story when =20 out slips an unfortunate politically incorrect epithet for . An =20 is present. Suddenly there is a large round of cliched and =20 awkward apologies and explanation ("Some of our best friends are =20 ", etc.) This dies down after a bit, and granddad does the whole =20 "now where was I" (reminders occur.) The story continues. Another =20 (perhaps different) epithet slips out, and the scene repeats, =20 essentially identical. Repeat. Repeat... In the end, the story has =20 taken too long to tell, the is more uncomfortable than if they =20 only had granddad's personality to deal with, and innocent bystanders =20 are ... nonplussed. BillW --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .