I've discovered a couple of annoying things with the graphics designer=20 utility available from Microchip. 1. If the Microchip Solutions package files are downloaded, don't be silly= =20 like me, and allow them to be unzipped into the default folder of=20 %path% \Microchip Solutions v_package date .=20 The utility expects to only find a directory labeled Microchip Solutions -= =20 this has taken me almost two days to discover. The other tools such as=20 mTouch work quite happily in the default named Solutions directory. 2. The help file tutorial images don't match the actual utility :( I=20 imagine they haven't been updated to reflect v2.0.10 I have to say first impressions, the Mikroe designer looks to be a much=20 smarter piece of kit, even if it does cost $99 and might require a little=20 recoding to make C30 happy. Colin -- cdb, on 19/03/2011 --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .