> Also you give the PC maker Gerber files, not your eagle layout file? Exactly I've dealt with 3 companies who use "commercial" PCB packages in- house and have Eagle either installed or have working knowledge of it Two confirm designs by email using GC Preview (Google) to show that Eagle's Gerbers are as correct as anybody else's Never had a board rejected because they are complete grand-dads. I suspect that RCS would not be so one-eyed and ranting if they did not have the licences for all those magazine boards It puts me off giving them business. I've known people like that and they tend to be staid, inflexible and grumpy about everything Joe --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .