Olin Lathrop wrote: > In practise, I think it would be very very difficult for a state to > pass a VAT tax. First the people would be pissed and the legislators > would rightly fear for their jobs. Second, that would be a major > logistical problem for that state since things move so easily between > states, and multi-state companies could use some creative accounting. > It would also be seen as a business-unfriendly state, making it hard > to attract new manufacturing plants or to keep existing ones. Would you please explain why you think that a VAT system is less=20 business-friendly than a (typical) USA-style sales tax system?=20 I think of it as the other way round: The effect is in both cases that=20 the consumer pays the tax and that he pays it only once (no accumulated=20 taxation, as for example with certain taxes in Brazil), but the=20 accounting for VAT is (in principle) simpler -- so VAT removes=20 bureaucracy, and as such is an advantage for all involved.=20 I did my taxes as a self-employed in Germany for many years, and it was=20 really simple. When I started to do the same in the USA, it was much=20 more complex -- and I didn't even get into sales tax questions, because=20 the benefit of getting a sales tax number, buying components sales-tax=20 free etc. just to spare a few dollars of sales tax wasn't worth all the=20 hassle related to it. (I didn't sell much, mostly providing services.)=20 But I would have liked it if I could have spared myself the expense=20 without the related bureaucracy. In Germany with the VAT system, there was no bureaucracy at all: I=20 simply discounted every cent (well, back then it was Pfennig) of VAT I=20 had an invoice for from whatever VAT I had to pay for my own invoices.=20 (If the balance was negative, I even got VAT back.) No accounting=20 hassle, whoever sold me components didn't have to get a sales tax id=20 from me, they just sent me an invoice with the VAT spelled out, and I=20 got to deduct that VAT from the VAT I had to pay to the government for=20 my own invoices. To me this seems much more straightforward, and has=20 less bureaucracy involved. Gerhard --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .