About 7:42pm here, March 4th. Another estimated 5.x aftershock just hit a few minutes ago. The text message just received from my son indicates it wasn't bad enough t= o take out the phone systems. That's good. House OK he says. Ambulance sirens can be heard. Something like a war zone but different. A lot of people have left and many more are planning to. Without intending to detract in any way whatsoever from the Christchurch tragedy, I think it's worth noting that for every person killed in Christchurch to date in the recent quakes, there were between 400 to 1200 deaths* in Haiti in their 2010 quake. Once disasters get above a certain size they get very hard for the mind to grasp unless intimately involved, and often not even then. (*Haiti death toll estimate varies very widely. From perhaps under 100,000 to well over 300,000). --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .