> 2. Knowledge of violation of conservation of energy at any scale is > new knowledge to me. Can you cite anything based on accepted > principles that I can look at. FermiLab has noticed missing energy after collisions, one possibility that it went with gravitons into a 4th dimension http://home.fnal.gov/~smaria/kkgrav/kkg_kbms.html Or maybe someone is pinching it to charge their cellphone (Sorry Yigit, just kidding ;-)) ) Joe --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .