Olin Lathrop wrote: > Nonsense. Getting upset is a concious choice. =20 It may not always be that easy with conscious choices. If it were, you'd have no problem participating here in a way that nobody objects to -- pretty much everybody else manages this, even though there are often huge differences in opinions. Since you're not doing this, there are two possibilities: - You make the conscious choice to participate in a way that upsets people and repeatedly results in ruckus (this is a simple fact, no judgment involved). In that case, any admin measures to restrict the problem are probably justified -- since ruckus is not good, since it is your conscious decision that you could change and just are not willing to. - You just can't help yourself and don't really know what you're doing that results in ruckus and why you're doing it, and therefore it's not a conscious choice. If you can't make this choice consciously, possibly other people also can't make the choice whether or not to get upset consciously. In this case, you could start trying to learn from the others that are trying to tell you something here. You may be in the same situation that you see the occasional poster in that just doesn't seem to "get it". Gerhard --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .