My opinion, (not that it matters or anything): 1. Olin can be an asshole to those who are new to the list any may have not yet adapted to the form and style of posting here. He's technically right, but socially wrong (according to general consensus) in his methods of educating. I guess that's why the admins thought it would be a good idea to ban Olin from posting in "newbie" threads. 2. I can't believe I'm actually saying this but I personally disagree with the admin choice. In my opinion it's not right to single out a specific use= r like this. I don't think Olin deserves to be singled out in this case. 3. Then again, if it does say so anywhere in the piclist rules about respect, Olin himself may have violated that rule. Public humiliation, rudeness, and so on is a direct sign of disrespect. Correct me if I'm wrong= , but Olin did, on numerous occasions, show irritability, rudeness, whatever, to newbies in the past. Maybe the solution would be for him to be more polite? It's not a perfect world, and not everyone may read the rules before postin= g for the first time, but we can't shoot them in the face for it. --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .