> FWIW (exactly what you paid for it) I don't actually see anything at > all wrong with what Olin wrote on that thread. Most if not all of the > aggression is generated by other people reacting to it in defence of > the poor innocent who probably doesn't actually need protecting. I > mean how exactly can we help anybody if they don't answer the sort of > basic questions he asked? Fully agreed! I am basically lazy, so I love it when I don't have to=20 word my opinion myself. Likewise, I would hate it when - for lack of an Olin - I would have to=20 be rude to people who are asking questions in a rude way. IMHO putting=20 newbies in a 'sandbox' is doing them a disservice. --=20 Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .