>> It is >> also a good idea for those that aren't so good with english to identify >> themselves as such > That's a good point Vaguely. Most people have little trouble determining that a poster does not have English as their lingua Franca. Those few who have trouble determining this would not be hurt by taking the extra effort required to learn whether a person is in fact "English speaking". It usually takes no more than reading a post to the end rather than ripping into it on a line by line basis. Some seem unable to master this skill. Rousseau --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .