Olin wrote: >If he didn't feel welcome, it was because of what he did Yep,i really learned something from yesterday incident Thank you for advices. I will learn to do better in the future. Thousand appologise, Din ________________________________ From: Olin Lathrop To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Sent: Mon, February 28, 2011 10:12:14 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Newbie Posts ( was : PIC TEMPERATURE=20 CONTROLLER:circuitdesign.png) Gordon wrote: > I think the essence of what Olin wanted to get across was correct, > Whit I didn't like was delivery. Not very welcoming. So you think newbies should get special dispensation? When you first approach 2000 people to ask them for a favor is when you should be especially careful and respectful. You earn slack over time, not the other way around. If he didn't feel welcome, it was because of what he did. He didn't give more context on his project despite direct and clear questions. He still hasn't figured out how to show us a simple schematic (not that I actually ever asked for one. I thought that was premature). He refused to follow basic english rules of starting sentences with capital letters and ending them with periods. Note that his choice of words and grammer are *not* the issue since he's obviously not a native speaker. Consider that nearly 2000 people didn't respond to him. The difference was that I explained why I wasn't, in fact couldn't, provide help. So you thin= k it's better to silently let the OP flounder rather than helping him understand his mistakes? You think total silence would have been more welcoming? I'm still willing to help this guy, but he has to do his part. In my first post I asked three questions: What exactly is the problem statement of this homework assignment? Where are you located? Is there any reason you can't do something as simple as: if temperature is low then heater on else heater off repeat These questions are relevant and their answers would be useful. They also don't require attaching large documents. There is simply no excuse for not providing the answers. Before blaming the messenger for not being welcoming, don't forget to look at the message and the reasons behind it. ******************************************************************** Embed Inc, Littleton Massachusetts, http://www.embedinc.com/products (978) 742-9014. Gold level PIC consultants since 2000. --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist =20 --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .