While I don't really recommend programmers other than the PICkit2 or=20 PICkit 3, my Olimex MPLAB Compatible ZIF Programmer is up for sale on=20 ebay. It's a good low-cost alternative to JDM-type programmers and other=20 home-brew solutions. This is a current product on the SparkFun website,=20 costing over $90. The programmer has been updated to the latest firmware and programs=20 using a ZIF socket or ICSP. ebay listing=20 Jon --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .