There is all this hype at the moment about 32bit CPUs replacing 8bit =20 cpus, as the cost of the CPU and memory goes down to 8bit levels, and =20 chip manufacturers target the market. NXP in particular has the LPC1102, an ARM Cortex M0 with 16 pins, 32K =20 of flash, 8K of RAM, and the usual set of 8bit-like features, and a =20 more-or less 8bit price. HOWEVER, this thing comes in a WLCSP Package (Wafer Level Chip Scale =20 Package), which is essentially a 4x4 Ball Grid Array with 0.5mm =20 spacing. Not hobbyist friendly at all :-( Now, while I myself am primarily a hobbyist when it comes to building =20 hardware, it has always been my perception that there are a large =20 number of "real companies" out there making "real products" that are =20 never-the-less not in an economic position to commit the sort of =20 resources needed to create a design based on such a part (4-layer =20 extra fine-pitch PCB and probably outsourced assembly), especially =20 during initial development. And for that matter aren't really =20 creating boards in high enough volumes to justify that sort of =20 manufacturing for their final product, either. In other words, a lot =20 of the remaining 8bit applications exist no so much because there =20 isn't a more powerful 32bit replacement, but because the 8bit cpus =20 remain much cheaper and easier to "develop and manufacture, for some =20 large classes of products, compared to the more modern wonder-chips. In other words, the LPC1102 ought to be doomed to failure. Am I completely off base here? Has the sort of PCB technology needed, =20 and the automated manufacturing, become so available that the initial =20 "hand assembly" phases is completely gone? (This is certainly true at =20 my real job, where I (nominally) write software for boards with many =20 layers and many chips that cost big $$$$$ and have very long design =20 cycles... We've got rework techs and even an Xray machine for looking =20 at those BGA joints, but they're all for adjusting things AFTER the =20 boards come back fully manufactured.) Are the "small businesses" =20 doing micro-based product design beyond the "we build the first few by =20 hand, perhaps painfully" or not? Are there limits on manufacturing =20 technology used by/for that class of company, or is that a thing of =20 the past? Thanks Bill W --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .