Ok, the subject line's a little tongue-in-cheek, obviously it depends on application. I need a rugged connector that trained monkeys (although they're usually called "users") will mate and unmate several times a day for several years, often while wearing gloves. 5+pins, 4A@50v or so ok. A couple of the pins will be CAN bus (not at max speed). Cycle life, robustness, availability, cost, reliability, service ability - all important, probably in close to that order. Any recommendations? thanks -Denny --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .