Yigit Turgut wrote: > That would be correct if we were discussing an idea instead of a > working device. But we only have your word on the working device. To put it bluntly, your credibility is in question. For example, let's put the 10km 30 degree road into perspective. One of th= e longest climbs of a road over a relatively short distance I'm familiar with is US 34 as it climbs west from the plains over the continental divide in Rocky Mountain Natitional Park in Colorado. The highest section is locally known as Trail Ridge Road. It used to be the highest continuous paved road in the world. I don't know if it still is, but it must be near the top of the list. Out of curiosity, I checked it with Google Maps to get the elevation and DeLorme street atlas to get driving distance. I took the section from abou= t where the plains end and the mountains begin (that happens quite abruptly there) to the Trail Ridge Road high point. According to the two sources I cited above, the length is 43.6 miles. It starts out at 5078 feet and ends at 12150 feet for a total rise of 7071 feet. The start and end points are at (40.4130 N, 105.1689 W) and (40.4111 N, 105.7318 W) in case anyone wants to verify my figures. 7071 feet / 43.6 miles =3D 3.07%. That's a pretty decent grade for a real road to sustaiin for over 40 miles. 3.07% grade means a up angle of AcrSine(.0307) =3D 1.76 degrees. There might certainly be a few steeper roads, but one with a angle of 30 degrees, which is 50% grade, is really really hard to imagine. ******************************************************************** Embed Inc, Littleton Massachusetts, http://www.embedinc.com/products (978) 742-9014. Gold level PIC consultants since 2000. --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .