Bob Blick wrote: > I see reference designators rotated a lot in Altium and Eagle. And I > have also seen ground symbols pointing in the "wrong" direction, too. There are sloppy and lazy people out there, or ones that just don't give a crap. Unfortunately there are a lot of them. That doesn't make it a good idea, though. > Are those tools really so cruel to the user that things like reference > designators and ground don't automatically right themselves? > > If so, how hard do they make it to grab something and spin it? Exactly. In Eagle you "smash" a part, which detaches the text strings so that they can be moved separately from the part. Then you rotate or move a= s needed. > It's been a while since I used either of those products, so I am > actually curious what steps you need to take to do those operations. While you can smash and adjust text in Eagle, I actually do this quite rarely in the schematic. I have pre-defined versions of parts that could have different orientations, like resistor, capacitors, and diodes. My convention is the part name in the library ends in -V for vertical and -H for horizontal. There is also -L, -R, -U, -D for things like diodes that have 4-way orientation. It takes a little extra time to make the part up front once, but makes it really easy when drawing the schematic. ******************************************************************** Embed Inc, Littleton Massachusetts, http://www.embedinc.com/products (978) 742-9014. Gold level PIC consultants since 2000. --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .