> On Feb 3, 2011, at 10:26 AM, James Newton wrote: >> burns ANYTHING cleanly and completely. > I find it difficult to believe that this is possible. It's not :-). I think that what they mean is that it uses "external combustion" and so does not have several of the problems internal combustion spark or compression ignition engines do. hen using atmospheric air as an oxidiser you tend to get Oxides of nitrogen as a byproduct. residual level depends on how much effort and $ you want to expend. If CO2 is not 'clean" then nothing burning carbon is going to be 'clean" without CO2 sequestration of some sort. But an EC engines gives you a good star\t over an IC engine wrt pollution. > (that nit out of the way, I don't see any reason that a better > external combustion engine isn't exciting for a lot of other reasons...) Yes. A question is, IS this a 'better" external combustion engine? It is at heart "yet another steam engine". It may be very good indeed, but so far it's not obvious that it is violently different from many other past steam engine dreams. And "violently different" tends to be what's is required to break free from 'more off the same but different'. A Stirling Engine [tm] IS violently different than anything else that is commonly in use at present. this doesn't per se make it better or best or good enough to be what it takes. The giant Phlips corporation spent perhaps several decades playing at Stirling Engine development, and had engines driving cars and buses, and finally gave up. They did not consider that the SE was fatally flawed for the purposes they were trying to put it to. They in fact considered that it was only a matter of spending enough time and money on it. Company fortunes at the time lead them to rationalise operations and 'get back to basics' and core products, and SE's were definitely not either. BUT they stated that if somebody spent the sum they considered likely to be required (figures of $US10 billion and $US30 billion lurk in my mind) then the payback period in petroleum savings would be about 4 months worldwide. Most people would be very happy with that sort of payback period :-) . (I know of a product that achieves that in a legitimate manner, but that's another story). I will be pleased to see Cyclone stir up a storm. But I'll be surprised but pleased if they ever get much past Florida. Even the "Whispergen" Stirling Engine based CHP system has got from NZ to Spain and UK and into ocean going yachts world wide. When the Cyclone manages to exceed Whispergen's results to date it will have achieved a notable success. Russell --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .