>>>> a refrigeration unit would take >>>> waste heat and even would freeze the output. >> As I read it this says, apparently clearly, that waste =A0heat could >> provide refrigeration and that the cold end may even be able to be >> below ) Celsius. > No, he said "the output", meaning the exhaust stream of the car. =A0You c= an't > use a heat engine to cool its hot input to below its cold input. You appear to be serious. I assume that the thrill of the chase and/or refusal to let go the bone has stopped you stepping back and looking at the total context. Maybe not. (I don't SEEM to have a bone in my mouth. We'll see :-).) Total response was: > I think it can be a matter of time a refrigeration unit would take waste heat and even would freeze the output. The collected heat would drive a small steam turbine. There should be invented refrigerating medium to withstand some hundred C. Though, thermodynamics should be checked on this idea.> If you gave a class of smart senior school students (say 15 - 18 year old range) the overall context of recovering energy from hot exhausts etc and then asked them if when a person with English as a second or other language wrote " I think it can be a matter of time a refrigeration unit would take waste heat and even would freeze the output." which of the two meanings did they believe Occam would prefer: (i) " ... a refrigeration unit powered by the waste heat from a vehicle exhaust could even reduce the total exhaust output to below zero degrees Celsius". (ii) " ... a refrigeration unit powered by the waste heat from a vehicle exhaust could even produce temperatures of below zero degrees Celsius at the refrigerator's output." then, do you think a very large majority would choose (i) or (ii).? We could always try this :-) ____ NT - which of the above "answers" comes closest to what you intended? Russell --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .