Car spring used as a spiral anchor sounds good. What might help is a socket drive fitting welded or clamped to the sky-poin= ting end of the spring. Dig a hole with post hole digger ..... drop the spring in ..... fill with d= irt ( and water ? ) and serve. Removal would consist of reverse twisting the spring out of the ground. ta dah Gus in Denver 99gus --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .