Have you googled for "Fence post spike" What's a post spike? A post spike is a heavy metal spike about 24 or 30 inches long with a metal box (usually 4" x 4") attached to the top, designed to hold the base of a wooden fence post. You simply drive the post spike into the ground where yo= u want to put your fence post and then insert the wooden post into the box. The idea is to provide a convenient and economical way to build a fence - n= o need to dig holes and pour concrete, and the post spikes only cost a few dollars each. I've used them and they are simple to use. If they aren't rigid enough the= n add guy wires. Gordon Williams ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "RussellMc" To: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:05 PM Subject: [OT]:: Better cheaper faster fencepost anchoring ideas wanted. > Summary: Creative ideas wanted for cheap, quick, robustish [choose any 3] > in ground mounts for "very tall fenceposts". > > I wish to build a number of short term "towers". > 2 to 3 metres high. > Robust enough that a strong man couldn't easily push one over. > (That's an arbitrary strength measure but gives some idea). > Some could be weaker. Any stronger and formal methods probably apply. > > I'm looking for "lightbulb" ideas for anchoring these in unprepared ground > (dirt) with minimum effort and cost, good rigidity and ideally ease of > removal. > > Any number of "common sense" / everyday solutions are available. A few - > > Hammer in post, > weighted frame, > Dig a hole, (augur, spade, hose!...) > hole with concrete, > hole with wedges, > Warratah (antipodean metal 3 rail ground anchoring fence post)(named afte= r a > rather tough Austalian plant), > guys with anchors, (soil anchors, screws, ...) ... . I > props, > ... > > BUT somebody may well have a "why don't you just ..." idea. > > eg tyre filled with concrete, water filled ..., frame from a ... , ... > > Using a car is not viable in this context. > Anchoring is good but size, availability of N, wind obstruction, cost, > difficulty in getting it out of the garden afterwards etc preclude such. > > Aim is to support very very very small wind turbines for testing in a range > of circumstances. > Support height is usually low - maybe in the 2 to 3 metre range above > mounting point. > (Note: that is NOT what you should be doing usually with any sensible WT)= .. > > Target wind speeds are low - say under 10 m/s (20 mph / 30 kph) max and > usually much less. > Forces are in most case small by WT standards. Upper size would have > perhaps 1 m^2 swept area BUT this would be effective only at low win > speeds. > > As a guide, using f ~~~=3D 0.65.A.V^3 (Newton, m^2, m/s) at sea level > You get about 65 kgf per m^2 at 10 m/s > 65 kg side 'force" at the top of a 3 metre tower > ~=3D 200 kg.m torque > would be 'challenging" [tm]. > > In most cases I'd be dealing with much much less than that and by the tim= e I > got to that upper extreme I'd be looking at more formal means. > Force rises as V^3 (see above formula) so at very high wind speeds no simple > solution is going to work. > That's not relevant here. > > R > --=20 > http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .