Question: =A0"Calendar life degradation" =3D loss of capacity with time, regardless of amount of use, with capacity not being restored by subsequent charge-discharge cycles - is rare in NimH batteries. Has anyone seen this occur to a significant extent in any NimH cells? Russell I may be seeing what appears to be calendar life capacity degradation in NimH cells. Unused cells may have a significantly reduced capacity than when new. Capacity may be below 75% and may continue to fall with time, even if the calls are unused. I am used to initial low capacity in NimH cell, which normally approach full capacity after one or maybe two initial charging cycles. This is different - it's an apparently permanent loss of capacity that seems to relate only to battery age. You could imagine that some part of cell reactants are becoming unavailable. Could perhaps be caused by venting and dryout, some sort of non reversible reaction etc. ______________________ Most manufacturers claim that their NimH cells do NOT have this effect. Duracell Months. Charge before reuse. Varta: Recharge yearly Sanyo: Cycle several times to restore capacity. 2 to 3 cycles to fully res= tore. Panasonic: Recharge yearly =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0http://www.powerstream.com/Storage.htm BUT 1997 Abstract only. Lots of change in last 14 years. Various things can happen: http://www.mrs.org/s_mrs/sec_subscribe.asp?CID=3D12302&DID=3D236622&acti= on=3Ddetail Mechanisms Causing Capacity Loss on Long-Term Storage in NiMH System printer-friendly Author(s): D. Singh, T. Wu, M. Wendling, P. Bendale, J. Ware, D. Ritter, L. Zhang Capacity recovery after long term storage and loaded storage is a critical issue with the NiMH system since its inception. A measurable loss in capacity is observed when cells are stored for long periods of time or discharged deeply to zero volts. The different mechanisms that are known to cause self discharge and capacity loss after storage and loaded storage will be the focus of this paper. Capacity loss after long term storage involves two main events. One is self discharge which causes the open circuit voltage(OCV) of the cell to drop. Self discharge is caused by decomposition of NiOOH, migration of metal ions and possible degradation of separator. Selfdischarge can be prevented by using separators which are stable at high temperatures and pH and have good ion trapping capability. Various separator types and treatments can play an important role in inhibiting metal ions from migrating thus reducing self discharge. Selfdischarge during storage causes a severe suppression in the voltage of the foam positive electrode. This drop in voltage causes a breakdown ofthe cobalt conductive network in the nickel positive electrode. Reduction of high valence cobalt(III) which forms the electrode's conductive network takes place at these low voltages. A permanent breakdown in the conductive network results in low efficiency of the cell on consecutive charge and discharge cycles. In addition, the cobalt in its lower valence states can migrate away from the electrode into the separator causing shorts. These events effect the charge and discharge efficiency of these cells thereby resulting in capacity loss. Various mechanisms causing self discharge which affect capacity recovery after long term storage and loaded storage are discussed in this paper. --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .