> Q: > So I guess you would be happy to refund if the savings you are stating=20 > are not achieved? > Thanks > A: > provided you can guarantee your power usage has not changed we > most certainly are So you would be advised to ask what proof they want BEFORE you buy one. Do they accept just power bills as 'usage' or are they talking about 'habits' ? Even weather could be dragged in to the equation. Air-conditioning, fan heaters, fridges consumption etc will probably not be exactly the same year to year At the lower end of savings, 15% is a big difference. There is a placebo effect. Trying to prove that this expensive product works could possibly make you think about the amount of power you use and how you can reduce it, so it becomes self-fulfilling. Same argument as I was given about the fuel saver. Makes you think more about your driving style so fuel is saved. That's a good thing isn't it ? Well, yes, but that draws a fuzzy psychological line. Can the seller then not argue that his product did actually cause the power bill to go down, even if not for technical reasons It's a very grey area Joe --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .