Quoting Oli Glaser : > Might be worth checking out the ICD3 - I have one and it's worked great > for me (excellent for debug purposes too) - I think MC list it as a > production programmer. It's listed under the debugging and emulation > tools on their site. I've narrowed down to two options now: (1) ICD3 (which I'm really leaning towards, as I may have a need to =20 use a better debugger some day). (2) Pickit2 with verification at alternate voltages. This option is =20 still on the table as I've found posts where others have written batch =20 files to verify at alternate voltages, and I already have a few of =20 these... =20 http://www.microchip.com/forums/tm.aspx?high=3D&m=3D533153&mpage=3D1#533290 Yes, I've seen other options on MC's website, but costs were still =20 relatively high for some of those, and the ICD3 meets my reqs. I'm still confused whether verification at lower voltages is required. =20 Some claim that it's a carryover from the non-flash days, and flash =20 does not really require it. Sure, it can't hurt to verify at =20 alternate voltages, but I've not had nor found any posts where others =20 have had failures in production caused by not verifiying at voltage =20 limits... assuming that the PIC runs at the same voltage it was =20 programmed at. Anyone have a definitive answer on this? FWIW, I will be setting up a PC for someone else (non-programmer) to =20 download the program(s) the products. Intent is to be as simple as =20 possible for them, most likely using some type of batch file menu =20 calling pk2cmd, or python/perl if necessary. Cheers, -Neil. --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .