On 08/01/2011 12:08, Michael Watterson wrote: >> For financial safety of supplier if nought else. >> > >> > I'd argue (but I may be wrong) that there is no great need to >> > artificially limit cycle life of a LiIon pack. By all means control >> > voltages, gross discharge, charge rates, charge when V low, MAYBE no >> > charge when very very low (although I'd expect it to usually to be >> > safe to TRY to bring up a cell from almost any voltage). > Perhaps designers overcautious. But doesn't prevent faulty made cells > going on fire/exploding in normal use. I suspect it's more to do with financial reasons too, so they can force=20 you to pay up to half the price of the laptop to purchase a new one. I haven't heard of too many Li-Ion batteries exploding because they=20 got "too old". Wouldn't be too hard (I think) to detect this point and=20 stop charging when the battery "decides" it's dead (i.e. get the most=20 possible cycles out of it), rather than enforcing a set limit. I investigated battery protocols etc too a whle back, and agree it's a=20 lot more complicated than many other batteries as MW says. IIRC, most=20 use a one wire protocol (name escapes me - MC have an app note on using=20 a PIC to interface with a Li-Ion battery) and a coded eeprom to detect=20 correct charger etc. I managed to rig up a solar charger for my Sony=20 laptop battery with not too much hassle though. If/when replacing the cells, I would definitely suggest keeping power=20 supplied at all times until new cells are in place, as mentioned (I saw=20 an instructable about replacing cells that goes through this quite well,=20 have a search on there) As mentioned also, be careful... ;-) --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .