Don't underestimate the magic of Sporadic E. I've talked to guys over 1000 miles away with a couple of watts and literally a small wire and no matching (probably milliwatts effective) and they told me my signal was stronger than locals on 6m. BTW, that small wire (less than 1.4 w/l) was at the end of 50ft of thin coax (lottsa loss) and laid in the attic. Used very low power to avoid the reflections blowing up the transmitter. ;) That setup started as "let's hurry and get something up fast" and stayed a while because "gee, that worked... let's leave it for a while..." ;) Just don't count on it as a regular thing... -Skip --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .