Looked at those -- they seem awesome except for the price, especially =20 if I am to get at least 2 (if not 3) of these. I didn't specify what "decent" price should be, but here's what I =20 figured... The Pickit2 (which I really like and have a few of) is $35 =20 and does everything I need currently, except being "production =20 quality" (which I understand to mean being able to verify at alternate =20 voltages). Still not convinced I need verification at other voltages =20 because I only run at 5V regulated, but I figure there must be some =20 happy median (perhaps a couple/few hundred dollars) between that an =20 the PM3. I've been using an ICD2 clone for some time, but that's now =20 dead. Sad that the Pickit2 is being phased out. Cheers, -Neil. Quoting Harold Hallikainen : > We use several Microchip PM3 programmers. In production, they operate > stand-alone with code in the SD card. The user just selects the product > being built and then programs the part. We do a fair amount of SQTP > programming (for the two LSB of MAC addresses), and these support that. > They have been very reliable except once when MPLAB wanted to do an updat= e > and killed the programmer. Microchip replaced it. > > Harold --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .