> 300m is mighty impressive, but if that is completely directional from =20 > the board edge then perhaps less useful. >=20 > Have you tried a Splatch? Either that or the short helical =20 > recommended by Matt look fine, am just interested in how directional =20 > they will be. I have tried the Splatch. The only long-range test I had time for before the weather turned bad (and stayed bad, rain, 30C, 100% humidity and then Christmas week came along) was with the board (see below) standing vertically and the receiver whip also vertical. The range comparison was with a vertical transmitter whip I've wound a helical and tried it briefly, with a 50x80 PCB ground plane. I got to about 80m, walking away with the receiver. What I want to do next is place the receiver and walk away with the transmitter, adjusting the helix for the best range, using the LED on the receiver > I am assuming from their datasheet diagram that the ground plane > can just be the whole board ground plane, but you mention 38x90 =20 > specifically? I meant 38 x 85. I'm not sure of its exact importance but in the Splatch datasheet they say "Electrical specifications and plots measured on 1.50" x 3.30" reference ground plane", so that's what I've started with. The board overall is 38 x 100. 38 x 15 is a bare area for the Splatch, as in their Recommended Mounting diagram The weather isn't too bad today. I have time to do a horizontal test and let you know. If Linx say the Splatch approximates a 1/4 wave then you might expect the same 3D propagation. We shall see Joe --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .