Arduino is for people that can't do electronics or stripboard=20 (veroboard) or can't search for "prototype" PIC or ATmega boards. There is a JAL/PIC version too. I think the "Shield" concept is physically flawed and the Arduino is a=20 bit hyped. It's OK for certain kinds of beginners. So it's pointless for some people and good for others. --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .