Update -- so I've had a major success today, though not a complete =20 resolution. The procedure I got from someone else (in cyberspace who =20 had had a similar problem) got my oven autotuned today. The key was =20 that the display acted like it wasn't really doing anything and =20 waiting for input from me, but then started it's tuning process =20 several minutes (at least 15min I'd say) after. The whole process =20 took around 2 hours and I could see the temps rise then drop =20 automatically. BUT... it's still not saving the data, so when I power off the =20 machine, it loses all the tuning info, config data, and profiles. So =20 I need to re-do the whole procedure. And setting the profile temps on =20 this thing is a tedious process. There is a battery on board (PMB 3.6 =20 C) that I found online, so I will replace that and hope it solves the =20 problem. In the meanwhile, now that I have seen just how relatively easy it is =20 to build a controller, I will probably still tackle this. I can't see =20 why they made the profile-config process so painful, and it would be =20 nice to have a PC interface, so I can backup the profile data and or =20 profile it on a PC. (It does have basic profiling btw). I've taken =20 another glimpse of the electronics layout inside and think it's nicely =20 done, and modular enough that I should figure it out easily. I'll =20 post pics of the internals soon. Thanks for the help, -Neil. --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .