Appreciate that Gus, but I have no desire to start a protest campaign =20 right now. Just too much going on, and I pretty much know what the =20 outcome will be. All the big SMT equipment companies do this, though =20 APS seems to think their equipment is far higher end than it really =20 is. They're really in the Madell/Manncorp range, but they think =20 they're in the Fuji, Quad, Siemens range. BTW, I'm not the only one with this problem -- =20 http://listserv.ipc.org/scripts/wa.exe?A2=3Dind1011&L=3DTechNet&P=3D3298 Cheers, -Neil. Quoting YES NOPE9 : > Before you launch an exciting and fun project into swapping =20 > controllers or designing one ...... I would suggest trying to reach =20 > the president of the company for a heart to heart talk. It does not =20 > sound like they are treating you right. if you want a wave of =20 > emails suggesting that they treat their customers better.... i will =20 > send one. > Best > Gus > --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .