Of course that is the dilemma......I've got around 30 yrs experience in=20 EE, from machine tool controls to vision systems integration to=20 restaurant gear (think McDonald's) to custom job shop industrial work=20 and most recently power electronics, and a stint in contract Delphi=20 database applications, so in some areas I know quite a lot. I can appreciate what Vitaliy said about a degree. But as you can=20 imagine, there are frustrating "holes" in my education and they creep up=20 from time to time and cause problems. And, I would think it would be nice for a change to actually not have to=20 learn everything on the job. But mainly, in this changing economy, I see the possibility of having to=20 look for a job at some point in the future. Up to now I have had no problems getting one, but of course, a large=20 part of these opportunities are unavailable to me since I lack the degree. If I do suffer loss of employment (not likely, but more so as of late) I=20 would then consider full time school, as I cannot really see any better=20 way to get it finished up. There is a very local state university (Northern Illinois University)=20 with an EE program and I think all things considered, I would get what I=20 could that transfers at the local community college and then go there to=20 finish up. But at 53 yrs old it may be a moot point, and considering the number of=20 engineers in my town (we have aerospace firms) if I were to become=20 unemployed I might just consider something entirely different. The things I enjoy about engineering have less to do with salary and=20 more to do with working conditions and job satisfaction; I bet I am not=20 alone in this. I love to make stuff work, don't you? Just thinking out loud here. Mark Skeels Engineer Competition Electronics, Inc. TEL: 815-874-8001 FAX: 815-874-8181 www.competitionelectronics.com --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .