On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 12:32:36 -0700, "Vitaliy" said: > Where we differ, is on the role of the state in helping people. While it > may=20 > sound good in theory, the unintended consequences quickly wipe out any=20 > benefits. Take the $729,000 bill, for example. Just think about it: what= =20 > could the hospital have done to Steve, to rack up such insane bill? Why > do=20 > things cost so much?* I stand by my statement - if ANY of your basic principles had been in place, the chain of care would have broken and Steve would be dead. As far as the hospital bill - I saw the level of care and amount of equipment used, and it was quite significant. And the $729,000 bill was retail - if he had paid it as an individual. The state gets a heavily discounted rate. A rough estimate based on questions I asked my physician is that the state would only pay about $225,000 So as far as prices being affordable to anyone to just pay with cash or the charity of friends, I can't envision any system that would make that possible. I saw the amount of equipment hooked up to him and the level of care, especially in the first three weeks, it was impressive. At $225,000 the state is getting a pretty reasonable deal. Remember that also includes implanting a defibrillator. I want America to move toward everyone having a safety net. You want the market to govern, which to me is like life in the jungle. There's no way we can ever agree on social/economic/political issues. Enough has been said over the last few days. It's time to move forward and never do this again. Best regards, Bob --=20 http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .