Funny NYPD wrote: > Every time when I recommend ICE2000 to newbie, people laughed on me. There will always be people that buy on up front cost alone and don't think it thru. The world is full of cheap people. For a hobbyist the expense ma= y not be worth it, but for a professional it is downright irresponsible not t= o get a real ICE when it's available for a project. It's no different than getting a decent soldering iron, hot air station, set of small tools, voltmeters, oscilloscopes, magnifiers, lights, good stock of parts, etc. And if you look at the cost spread out over only a year's worth of jobs, it's miniscule. ******************************************************************** Embed Inc, Littleton Massachusetts, http://www.embedinc.com/products (978) 742-9014. Gold level PIC consultants since 2000. --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .