Hat: noncholant / casual / devil may care ... >> I'm talking about what is. > See, we are more alike than you seem to think: I'm also talking about > what is -- most of the time :) .... As Bob would say (or did,more or less, recently), I think we know where everyone is coming from here. It's unlikely that we'll gain much from trying to convince 'the other guy' in each case of the merits of our perspectives. Any further discussion would probably be more productive under eg [OT] Your mother wears army boots, yah, boo We are already in OT but the original subject is still (very slightly) alive so a more apposite one would perhaps be better. Russell (no army boots). --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .