Thanks Steve, I've got an 16F690 header on the way so I'll use that for development... maybe the PICKit2 will actually debug with it... -- James Newton 1-970-462-7764=20 -----Original Message----- From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:piclist-bounces@mit.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 22:39 To: 'Microcontroller discussion list - Public.' Subject: RE: [PIC] pickit2 unreliable debug 12F675 I have to say the last app I wrote for a 675 / 629 I did entirely on an f87= 7 and wrote the IO conditionally so there were two compile methods and found that was the best way of working with an 8 pin... Its quite restrictive having only 3 I/O available whilst debugging and the F877 solution was reasonably simple in terms of a work around that ICD2 could handle Steve -----Original Message----- From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:piclist-bounces@mit.edu] On Behalf Of Xiaofan Chen Sent: 17 November 2010 06:06 To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Subject: Re: [PIC] pickit2 unreliable debug 12F675 On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:26 AM, James Newton wrote: > Look... I like debuggers... I don't like simulators (they are doomed to > succeed) and I would really love to be able to show this working. > > Has anyone done it with a PICKit3? > I like debuggers too. But when I was working with PIC12F629 back in 2004/2005, I gave up using ICD 2 (not PICkit 2 at the time). There are too many limitations with debugging for the 12F629/12F675 (read the help very carefully about the limitations with regard to the limitations). Luckily I have an LED pin and I use that as the debug indicator, with the help of a good oscilloscope (Lecroy) and that is much better than using the ICD 2. BTW, 12F629 and 12F675 are very similar and use the same debug header. PICkit 3 will not help you either. --=20 Xiaofan --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .