> > > Occam opines: > > > a) The part left out is still by far the most probable and preferred > > cause. > > > or > > > b) The parts are breaking impossibly despite everything. > > > What say you? > Late to the party. =A0Donning philosopher's hat, reflecting on experience= .. You've done better than most. Justin and some others also. Philosophers hat was what I was looking for as an exercise in problem handling BUT what I got was largely accusations of stupidity, laziness, wanting my work done for me, not giving enough info (choose any 4)(all that from one person in one case - guess who :-) ) etc. The term "impossibly" above, taken in context of my initial query (where I did not use that word) was of course shorthand for "if this part IS breaking there must be a good reason, but we surely can't yet see what it is". > The impossible scenario is the likely one, because "impossible" usually d= oes > not reflect on the design/construction of the item. =A0"Impossible" is us= ually > a reflection on the guy who simply did not realize that one additional > thing....That being the thing that happens for a second time after all th= e > reports are written and the committees have met. =A0As soon as you change= from > "it's impossible" to "now I've seen it again, there has to be an > explanation, you get..." > "Oh, NOW I see what's happening.... Of course!" Indeed. It was 'b', as I also decided was most likely (fwiw). I found that a easier to do as it wasn't my design so I didn't have the same investment in wanting to be sure that there was no problem with the design. Can't go into details, but a very minor departure from best design practice allowed a large force to be applied to a small part during manufacture leaving it walking wounded. The problem is both easily fixed and the results are easily worked around, so all is OK, but an interesting lesson. I must try not to say "impossible" when I mean "apparently impossible" :-) Russell --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .