On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 7:04 AM, William "Chops" Westfield
<westfw@mac.com>wrote:

> > But hopefully not as painfully slowly as other Java based IDEs I
> > have abandoned using...
>
> Eh.  Buy a faster computer.  It's small change, these days.
>

I have fairly new stuff here, and still can feel that is slower than a
native app. However, what I concern is not the GUI where a click or typing
is much slower than anything else. In fact I like how the new IDE looks lik=
e
and what features it brings in terms of helping the developer to overview
his/her projects. I worry about, however, the compiler and simulator. If
they are not native apps then we (PIC developers / IDE users) may suffer in
productivity. I really like how fast is the MPSIM (the old, native code
based one) and would be said if it was slow down. The only problem is that
the simulator is not yet available for testing so in the meantime just
waiting to see more.

Tamas



>
>
> > I would have to think hard about putting up with it over AVR dev
> > tools.
>
> Haven't I heard that AVRStudio is going away in favor of something
> Eclipse based as well?
> (or maybe that was just the WINAVR package...)
>
>
> > Surely it would have made more sense to build a plug-in to Eclipse
>
> Eclipse has all the same java-related complaints, doesn't it?
> They should have done an emacs extension!
>
>
> > change *is* bad, just that sometimes not changing things is worse.
>
> Or perhaps change is good, but not changing would have been better :-)
> More realistically (as per first paragraphs), change is inevitable and
> necessary, and how well you manage it means the difference in the
> number of happy customers.
>
>
> > I've seen few Java applications that don't run at 1/100th the speed of
> > their previous (non Java) version.
>
> Such as?  What apps have converted to java without also adding a bunch
> of other stuff?
> Don't some java apps end up natively compiled?
>
>
> > Developers (for anything other than Apple products) that buy a Mac
> > mysteriously seem to run Linux. Seems an expensive way to run Linux,
> > but
> > I suppose stylish.
>
> Nonsense.  Developers with Macs drop down into a unix shell and run
> linux apps that have been natively compiled for the MacOSX linux-like
> underlayer, which usually works.  They can run linux apps, and it may
> look like linux, but it's not.
>
> >
> > For example, an Android app doesn't even have a "main" method!
>
> OMG it's an Arudino!  :-)
>
> BillW
>
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