> It's really amazing how many hairbrain schemes pop up whenever someone as= ks > a simple question like this. A new degree of subtlety and beating :-) ! Insult numerous unspecified people generically for crimes against humanity of unspecified nature. Close to brilliant - everyone tends to feel insulted, no complaint can be made about specific rudeness by the insulter as the insult and rudeness is generic, and for bonus points if anyone does complain they can be told to harden up, get over it, .... thereby achieving additional insult. insulting. Definitely brilliance which has risen to even greater depths. My first one seems as simple or simpler. Not as good as wheel based system as it probably only processes train or carriage leading or trailing edges. A substantial school of thought holds that unfettered brain storming sessions, where anything that comes to mind can be suggested, achieves very good results, with the apparently hair brain thoughts acting as mental catalysts for ideas which other wise were unlikely to have been thought of. End result is more pigs to market, not less. Russell R --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .