This system of radar is called linear FM CW radar. It is now widely used (or at least was before ultrasonic methods became dominant). I think there used to be lots of systems designed to help trucks back up to loading docks quickly without bumping the dock hard. Gunnplexers were the devices used for this - they were a short section of waveguide terminated in a horn antenna. Inside the waveguide, there was a Gunn diode (CW microwave source), Varactor (for FMing the Gunn oscillator), and a Schottky mixer diode (provided the heterodyne between the TX and RX signal). Sean On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 7:51 PM, RussellMc wrote: >> To use RF you need Static RF beacons in the room and compare phase of >> coded signal on them. > > I came to this discussion late. As I skimmed =A0down it seemed that > phase comparison would be good for what you wanted, as Michael has > suggested. If you can do phase detection /comparison you can resolve > to fractions of a wavelength. Distant memory suggests that HP may have > been doing this for decades with optical systems. Even effectively > implementing GPS with your own tx may be doable. You may even be able > to use GPS hardware with a different RX frequency. Implementing the > phase locked transmitters may become somewhat annoying. > > Distant memory also suggest that there may have been people doing > rocket tracking systems with a multi transmitter phase comparison > system (or maybe I suggested it to someone for rockets long ago ? :-) > ). > > Long ago the APN1 Radar Altimeter used in Bristol Freighters and > similar implemented a clever doppler radar system where they linearly > slewed the transmitter frequency at a given rate and then heterodyned > the current =A0tx =A0signal with the reflected signal. The difference in > frequency between tx and rx signals gave the time delay and hence > distance. Return delay in free space is 6 nS/metre of separation - > call it 10 nS for convenience. If you slew the tx at 10 Hz/ 10 Ns you > get 1 Hz heterodyne at 100 mm, 10 Hz at 1m, 100 Hz at 10m. > That's dependent only on tx slew rate and not tx frequency. 1 Hz/nS is > 1 Ghz / second slew rate. Large at low frequencies but almost bearable > at a few Ghz mean tx frequency. If you use phase comparisons on tx and > rx rather than just frequency you can deal with slower to much slower > slew rates. Phase inversion and worse at the reflecting surface may be > 'annoying'. =A0The APN1 managed thousands of feet of altitude > measurement using push pull Acorn tube TX and RX (I have a circuit > diagram), with the rx signal having been reflected off whatever ground > surface was present, so a mere sniff of signal should be OK with > modern circuitry. (I used to own 2 x APN1's but alas I sold them years > ago. They would be quite a cute toy for my 'museum' these days. > > > > =A0 Russell McMahon > -- > http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .