Hi, I have had some moderate success designing PCBs in Eagle and having them=20 made by BatchPCB. I currently use a fairly crude method of soldering=20 SMD parts, but it seems to work (info at http://tinyurl.com/2brjyn6).=20 I'm pretty happy with this workflow. However, the skills I built up manually routing double sided=20 through-hole boards with "huge" components don't translate well to=20 surface mount. As an example, see the board at http://tinyurl.com/35gdrpx (none of the=20 finishing e.g. silkscreen/ground pours is done yet). It is a simple=20 breakout for the FT232RL so I can use it with a breadboard, but getting=20 all the wires routed without hundreds of vias is challenging me. So I would welcome any tips for SMD boards. Do people use the=20 auto-router? Would it be more sensible to layout on 2 sides somehow=20 (e.g. Vcc/GND on one, signal on the other). Do I just need lots more=20 practise at component layout and routing? And yes, I know you can buy these things. But I'd rather spend a few=20 weeks reading a datasheet and learning about how things work. David --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .