Note: Mention of Vitaliy and Olin below are related to specific examples which have been noted when viewing each others emails and not meant to be generalisations. ______ The wonderful world of email clients. I'm sure that many people will see your message as plain text. In Gmail the older text is all hidden because I have seen it before in the same thread so GMail knows I of course will not want to see it again. I have to click - show quoted text - to see it. Nest,m GMail displays it as "Rich formatting" as opposed to "Plain text". I also see html as RF so I don't know what triggers GMail's decision. Olin has advised that what I see a RF he sees as plain text on at least som= e occasions. Then, when I do unhide it it shows as NOT indented but with each line prepended by ">". Go figure, as they say (but usually not here). Your new text is prepended in my response with a thin vertical bar (continuous across multiple lines) that tells me that if I send it to a GMail client they will received it as hidden quoted text. In GMAil to get leading ">"s and not hidden quotes I must convert a message to plain text and then back to ricj formatting, losing most formatting in the process. (font, point, color etc. If I reply in rich formatting mode to a message from eg Vitaliy which I receive in the same format from him via PICList he has been known to complain that the format is strange and unacceptable (I can't recall what the issues is - but it apparently is due to his clients refusal to follow the RFC and not GMails's BUT you'd think that GMail would do what was most acceptable to once and not care too too much about no stinkin RFCs [tm].). GMail is a relative power unto itself.Even in Rich formatting mode it offer= s limited point sizes and font choices BUT displays incoming text differently depending on Font and point used and will display those outside its standar= d range not tell you what you are seeing and even allow you to reply in the same font that would be inaccessible to you in a message that you originate= d using GMail. On occasion I will copy a block of text into eg Word, set font and point and then copy back to GMail. The result will sometimes be as expected. Windowes Live doesn't sound totally bad :-) On 23 October 2010 17:08, Oli Glaser wrote: > On 23/10/2010 04:40, Oli Glaser wrote: > > > > Okay, I finally got sick enough of Windows Live Mail to try something > > else, namely Thunderbird. > > I actually quite liked it as far as MS stuff goes, but I was offered an > > update a few days ago (to the whole Windows Live "Essentials" package > > which tries to shove all sorts of rubbish onto your PC - search bars, > > shopping aids etc etc) and decided to try it, just selecting the e-mail > > update. > > To cut a long story short - they have decided in their infinite wisdom > > to remove the "indent with>" feature in the plain text send options.. > > Why??? what harm was it doing to anyone? This inexplicable removal (wit= h > > no explanation on any forums I could find) of a feature that must be > > used by most people on mailing lists was the last straw. > > > > So for anyone with Windows (Live) Mail (I gather there is actually a > > difference between WM and WLM, what on earth was wrong with just leavin= g > > Outlook or OE alone.. another rant right there..) you might want to > > think about not updating unless you want to lose this simple and useful > > feature. Maybe MS are trying to push us all into the online HTML > > mail/blog world - I can't see any sane reason for deliberately removing > > such a feature, maybe someone else has a better idea though.. > > Well anyway, TB seems pretty good from first experiences - far better > > and more intuitive than WLM. I even managed to get most of my mail > > across pretty painlessly which was a big surprise given the trouble I'v= e > > had in the past with OE, WM, WML mail formats/sharing.. > > Glad that's off my chest, can go back to wrestling with real EE problem= s > > now.. none of this flimsy software rubbish.. :-) > > > > > > > > > I'm replying to my own mail as a test that the above is indented > properly in plain text to see if I have set up TB correctly, as I can't > as yet get TB to display in plain text (it displays with blue bars for > me), though it says it will send in plain text to domains you can > specify (which I have done) > Could someone let me know how it displays for them? > > > > > -- > http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .