Genuine GP (Gold Peak) are reasonably good. They are a Hong Kong company with manufacturing in mainland China. But GP is so large and well known in China that \inferior counterfeited lookalike copies are made. Another large and competent Chinese maker is BYD. (I'm told Warren B holds a large shareholding but can't vouch for that). I have some Sony counterfeits (sold in NZ about 6 years ago) that are visually indistinguishable from the real thing. They are a reasonably good quality cell but of significantly lower capacity than claimed and lower weight. They actually implement a combination of capacities and model numbers etc that is not quite a match for a real cell - they upped the claimed capacity while copying. I have the outer cardboard box and plastic boxes for groups of 4 and these are all also good copies!. So, other than utterly rigorous inspection may not detetc fakes. But, some usually good badge engineered cells and some name brad cells that are quite possibly genuine are turning up here with lower or much lower capacities than claimed. I have tested Camelion cells which are perhaps 2/3 claimed capacity. Camelion does very well when they do well - their single cell emergency charger / torch is far better than almost anything else I've seen. And even modern Sony batteries have tested enough below capacity to make me wonder about their provenance. >From the local auction site I have bought "2400" mAh cells that are actually 800mAh. The seller has many sales (many products) has near 100% positive customer feedback. So - establishing the provenance / genuineness / supply path of your cells is a necessary step if serious. ___________ Deep deep discharge of NimH shortens life and is not advised and is easily enough prevented. They do not suffer the reverse polarity "whiskering" caused by electroplating that NiCd's do but reverse charging a cell in a string is not at all wise. Occasional balance charging (slow rate overcharge so all cells MUST be fully charged), matched cells and not too many in a string is all it usually takes to keep them honest. As string length increases the delta V variation of an individual cell can rise while still keeping the total voltage above a minimum level. To give an extreme case - 10 cells that are discharged to 1.0 Volt each end point can be 'spoofed" by 9 cells at 1.11 V each and one call at 0.0. Much shorter series strings can manage this with enough lack of care. Russell McMahon --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .