> I'm very very busy with work And I certainly should be. > ... and have no time ... uphill, both ways, in the snow, no shoes, bottom of a lake, cardboard box .= ... . Yes. Absolutely. I resemble that. > to address your equating "so > do mise" with "hurtful words" etc, but I wanted to very quickly comment o= n > this: 1. I had to go back and read what I'd said to make sense of that :-). [[spacings were an attempt to keep it away from the search engines - we can do without their excess attentions on such largely unrelated matters. ]]. That sort of thing really really really should be quoted in full context if at all as it has the potential to be misunderstood beyond all reasonableness. The context was that as an EXTREME real world example, a person who had been put through extreme physical circumstances had their whole response to subsequent situations is life affected in ways which would make no sense at all to people who were unaware of their background but would make lots of sense to those who were. I was suggesting that while such things are linear, past history and environment and unavoidable genetics shape people's subsequent responses to life in ways in which they have incomplete control over. Or, as I summarised it, subtle is the mind. I am not wishing to make PC excuses for people's behaviours - only to note that there is much that shapes human lives that all concerned and unconcerned are often unaware of. 2. > Please do a quick search, > I believe it should not take you more than 5 minutes to find the relevant > messages. Your faith in my abilities is flattering - but in this context and order of magnitude is still too small. > If you are serious about discussing its merits, please start a new > thread. You can (hopefully) do better than that. I just had a long and unpleasant wade through all sorts of stuff - the better part of an hour !!! :-( - I'd rather not have had to revisit, some of the lighter moments involving adumbrations of fascism and someone (possibly Vitaliy :-) ) walking home with a paid bus ticket :-). I found a number of places where you refer to what you've said before, (the exact same thing you are referring to now). I found a post 6 months + 1 day ago where I asked you to state clearly what you were talking about so we could examine it again, but you seem to have declined to do so then as now. If you think your prior offerings have current merit then please repost them, modified or as was. Without specific reference there have been so many posts under so many headings that asking anyone else to find which one you are referring to needs to be a paying job :-) (which I wouldn't want to take). It does seem that I compassed my likely response locus "extremely well" 6 or so months ago. I doubt that anyone really wants me to do that again :-). Russell --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .